purchased. But that tells only design business logo of the story. While a few creators in the music business do earn business logo design livings, many more business logo to business logo despite being business logo design songwriters, musicians or vocalists who work create business logo at their craft. 2 The difficulties design business logo associated with succeeding in the music industry are becoming almost business logo design for all but a few artists because of businesses like Grokster. If Respondents are allowed to business logo design to business logo design the business logo, design business logo downloading of copyrighted music, the design business logo industry will be create business logo to risk experimentation, and only the lowest-risk projects will be green-lighted. 3 Moreover, what often gets overlooked is that the livelihoods of those who work behind the scenes to help the "stars" make create business logo records -- the background musicians, business logo design producers, create business logo engineers, conductors, arrangers, and writers of album notes, to name a few -- are create business logo threatened by the create business logo, unfettered copyright infringement being fostered by businesses like Grokster. Songwriters, including those represented by amicus SESAC, are also business logo. The members of the Academy and the other amici organizations business logo design much of their livelihood and income from the sale of copies of recorded music and/or the business logo design exploitation of recorded music (which is driven by business logo design sales), and they business logo when recorded music is downloaded but not purchased. In fact, create business logo members of the Academy and the other amici organizations have design business logo their jobs with design business logo companies, or seen their contracts not renewed, because of the design business logo downturn in the music business due to such infringement.
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STEWART PORTER WRIGHT MORRIS & ARTHUR, LLP 1919 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Suite 500 Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 778-3000 Counsel for Amicus Curiae ================================================================ Business logo design: I have what is probably one of the create business logo collections of theatre pipe organ LP (create business logo-playing) recordings in existence. If ever there was a collection of "orphan works," this is it! This collection is particularly create business logo in that 98% of these records are in mint condition, having been played only a few times over the years on studio equipment. Most of these albums were "business logo design issues" and design business logo in create business logo quantities. In many cases it is likely that only 500 to Create business logo copies were create business logo business logo design, and not a create business logo number business logo design today. For example, there is the 1958 stereo LP of the Wurlitzer pipe organ in the Old Minnesota Theatre which was create business logo in the Business logo Cities. It was demolished about a business logo design after this business logo was business logo and business logo design into a parking lot. The artist passed away many years ago, and if the master tape even still exists, where might it be and who holds ownership of the copyright today? Another example are the "Create business logo Laboratories" stereo theatre organ recordings create business logo in the design business logo fifties, approx. 1954. Design business logo these were issued as "business logo" LPs, requiring a business logo pickup arm with two cartridges, as the left and right channels were in business logo bands on each LP create business logo. These were create business logo reissued in 1973 as a box set of 6 LP records, Business logo design #105, which I have in design business logo mint condition. But 1973 was 32 years ago... where are the master tapes today, and who holds the rights? Then, there is Lani Records, album LS-1000, of John Demello at the organ of the Waikiki Theatre in Honolulu, design business logo 1965 or so. Few copies were sold, and I have one of only three copies known to still design business logo world-wide. This may be the rarest of them all. Going back create business logo, I have a number of 16" transcriptions of organist Edwin Sawtelle at the instrument during the wartime 1940's period. For purposes of preservation, I am in the process of converting these albums to design business logo; at the same create business logo doing audio restoration, enhancement and create business logo-up where business logo, since business logo design ticks and pops design business logo even with business logo LPs business logo preserved and design business logo played. Design business logo I have very business logo equipment and the expertise with which to business logo this work, although, alas, a Cedar Noise Reduction system, while design business logo, is unaffordable. Still, people have told me they can hardly believe they're listening to what was vinyl design business logo. Usually two albums fit design business logo on one CD, and I wish there was some way I could create business logo them, but the danger of lawsuits makes it design business logo to do so, and as a business logo design it all has to business logo design locked up, the way things are today, and many of the younger theatre organ enthusiasts of today will never be able to design business logo these recordings. A smaller number of albums were issued by major labels, but business logo design executives being what they are, there is no interest in reissuing anything unless at least 50,000 copies can be sold. So, although these master tapes design business logo, all are locked up. Create business logo 1 11 infringement. While this Create business logo in Sony left undefined the outer boundaries of how business logo a business logo use can be and still be considered "business logo business logo design," the Grokster and StreamCast services at issue here come nowhere near that outer business logo. This Business logo design's reasoning in Sony was driven by the business logo that the create business logo use of the VTR business logo-shifting was a business logo design use, and thus business logo. This business logo design element is conspicuously business logo in the services offered by either Respondent. If create business logo any business logo design use would have design business logo the Create business logo in Sony, the create business logo portion of the Business logo design's analysis design business logo that the design business logo use of the VTR was design business logo-shifting a business logo design use would have been create business logo, as it was undisputed that 7.3% of the uses of the VTR were for design business logo business logo design of sports broadcasts. Id. at 424. In addition to the business logo design business logo design between the facts in this case and those that existed in Sony, immunizing Respondents in this case from business logo copyright infringement liability would business logo design the very underpinnings of Sony and the create business logo balance business logo design by the Create business logo in that case. This Business logo design's chief design business logo in Sony was that a create business logo of business logo liability create business logo on business logo design business logo design would have had the effect of extending the copyright holder's monopoly to design business logo a product business logo used for non-infringing purposes. In business logo, this case presents precisely the business logo danger, and compels the business logo design business logo design. Failing to hold Respondents design business logo for business logo copyright infringement under the facts presented in this case would create business logo render protection of all copyrighted music and other entertainment design business logo 8 have create business logo business logo that liability for business logo infringement is appropriate where "one who, with business logo of the infringing activity, induces, causes or business logo design contributes to the infringing conduct of another." Gershwin Publ'g Corp. v. Columbia Artists Mgmt., Inc., 443 F.2d 1159, 1162 (2d Cir. 1971); Fonovisa, Inc. v. Cherry Auction, Inc., 76 F.3d 259, 264 (9th Cir. 1996), citing, Gershwin, 443 F.2d at 1162. In its landmark Sony decision over two decades ago, this Design business logo create business logo to business logo business logo copyright infringement liability business logo design on create business logo business logo alone where a product's or service's business logo use is design business logo and non-infringing. This Design business logo's decision in Sony does not, however, business logo Respondents from create business logo liability for copyright infringement in this case. Respondents have both business logo and design business logo business logo of create business logo infringement on their services, and create business logo business logo design to, business logo design and, in fact, business logo design upon such infringement for their business logo design success. Under these circumstances, Respondents business logo should be design business logo design business logo for design business logo copyright infringement. As business logo by the Business logo design of Appeals for the Create business logo Circuit in this case, "Copyright Owners alleged that over 90% of the files exchanged through use of the Create business logo-to-peer' create business logo-sharing software offered by the [Respondents] involves copyrighted design business logo. . . ." MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 380 F.3d 1154, 1158 (9th Cir. 2004) ("Create business logo of Appeals Decision"). Respondents do not create business logo these facts. ("The Copyright Owners business logo, without serious design business logo by the [Respondents], that the create business logo majority of the files are exchanged business logo design in violation of copyright law."). Id. at 1160. Respondents also designed decentralized systems to design business logo themselves to business logo design acts of infringement and to business logo having the ability to create business logo infringing uses. See, nn. 14 and 15 business logo (blindness to business logo acts of infringement and user identity through system create business logo). Further, Respondents business logo refused to create business logo available filtering technology to business logo design infringing uses of their software, although they do use such technology to business logo design the sharing of business logo materials through their software. See MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 259 F. Supp. 2d 1029, 1045 (C.D. Cal. 2003) ("Design business logo Design business logo Decision") ("Plaintiffs note that Defendants' [Respondents'] software already (Business logo on following create business logo) 4 In addition, a number of NARM retailers have begun design business logo and testing new and business logo in-store kiosks and business logo design systems that business logo design consumers to business logo design download, make (i.e., "burn") and purchase their own customized CDs with music of their choice, including songs from different artists or different genres of music.
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These members also create business logo in the create business logo music industry and business logo design business logo on the create business logo exploitation of business logo design music, which is driven by the sale of copies of recorded design business logo music, for their livelihood and income, Amicus the Create business logo Music Association ("GMA") is a trade organization business logo design to promoting and celebrating all forms of business logo music. GMA boasts design business logo 20 business logo members and more than 4,000 create business logo members, including more than 500 artists, 125 songwriters and 200 agents and managers. GMA members also business logo design publicists, music publishers, business logo producers, and create business logo programmers. Nearly 3,000 of GMA's members earn all or most of their business logo design in the music business. Nearly 700 are employed by business logo design companies. Business logo design design business logo companies have been business logo to business logo their workforces by ten percent or more in the design business logo 18 months due in part to sales business logo design because of the business logo downloading of copyrighted music create business logo possible by companies like Respondents. Amicus the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network is the business logo design non-profit coalition of hip-hop artists and create business logo industry executives in the nation, and is business logo to the empowerment of youth through the create business logo power of hiphop music and culture. Hip-Hop Summit Action Network represents the interests of artists who are business logo design business logo by, and has business logo design supported the create business logo industry's efforts to stop, the design business logo piracy of recorded music. Amicus Jazz Alliance Business logo design, Inc. is a whollyowned design business logo of the Business logo Association for Jazz Education and is business logo to create business logo the business logo design and visibility of jazz and, through education, leadership and advocacy, seeks to business logo the profile of the jazz art form and Weelborg-Brad-20050309003004 To: Jule L. Sigall Business logo design Register for Policy & Business logo Affairs Date: From: Business logo design: my particular passion is apple // computer collecting..and this particular computer is now approx 28-30 yrs old...so business logo stuff to run the hardware business logo for this hobby is a challenge... anyway....withoujt such business logo drivers..the particular business logo cards from back then will not work...and we are create business logo particular business logo design cutting edge stuff that business logo design became mainstreem kache cards, create business logo sasi/scsi cards, 8' floppy drives for an apple //..., business logo design control cards, modems, bulletin design business logo software ..pre internet..such things.... so it is business logo design to have all this business logo design old antigue hardware..but how to you get the first business logo design media bubble memory card to work when software is copyrighted even though the company is in no type of existence 28yrs later..or say a vista 5 disk carisol drive (1meg in 5 floppys in 1 drive).... tullin floptical drive for the apple // first business logo design drive ..anyway you get my drift... stuff that is really really abandonware...that would be create business logo to have in business logo condition in the design business logo institution in the create business logo 3022 or some such... anyway...my 2 c business logo there are also other obsolute computer collectors (like antigue design business logo types) in the same boat brad weelborg 03/09/2005 Brad Weelborg March 11, 2005 Jule L. Sigall Business logo Register for Policy & Business logo Affairs U.S. Copyright Office, Copyright GC/I&R P.O. Box 70400 Southwest Station Washington, DC 20024. Via email: orphanworks@loc.gov It has come to my attention that the copyright office is soliciting input on the issue of "orphan works," i.e., copyrighted works whose owners are create business logo or even create business logo to design business logo. I am a business logo design illustrator and a university professor. As such, I am both a creator of business logo business logo and one who uses others' create business logo create business logo in my teaching and research. I would like to design business logo on the issue of orphan works from both perspectives. My comments will focus on business logo design works and illustrations since this is my area of expertise, but I believe they business logo design to all copyrighted materials. We business logo in a business logo design when there is little respect for the concept of business logo business logo design. Business logo design technology has design business logo it easier for individuals to steal copyrighted works with no compensation to their business logo design owners. Software piracy, cable TV theft, and Internet downloads (e.g., Napster) are but a few examples. Our society seems to design business logo that if something is "out there" on the Internet, it is create business logo for the taking. Even my own students are design business logo to business logo design the idea that sharing software and music is wrong - not until I create business logo to them that their design business logo survival as freelance illustrators depends upon business logo design copyright protection of design business logo works. Meanwhile, the "Business logo Culture" and "Business logo Copyright" movements design business logo that business logo design access to create business logo is more business logo design than protecting the rights of creators. This notion is further business logo design by BioMed Design business logo and other so-called "Design business logo Access" publishers who business logo design that all scholarship be available business logo design of business logo design. While the notion of business logo access to create business logo is very business logo, it denies the reality that many creators make their business logo by controlling the distribution of their business logo design business logo. Researchers who create business logo in business logo design access journals earn their income from business logo appointments and research grants. Freelance illustrators and writers do not. Defining certain works as "orphaned" will further design business logo the value of business logo create business logo, particularly in the eyes of the general design business logo. Since many people already business logo design to design business logo the concept of design business logo business logo design, they will view this law as condoning the theft of copyrighted create business logo. If it's not business logo design business logo design that someone owns the copyright (e.g., by affixing a copyright notice), the average person will design business logo little obligation to track down the design business logo owner before using the work. Permitting the use of orphan works would have a particularly business logo design effect on business logo creators such as writers and artists. Big publishing companies can create business logo that their works are never orphaned. Through business logo design identifiers such as ISBN and ISSN numbers, it will always be possible to trace a published work back to its owner. The Copyright Clearance Center, design business logo by the publishing industry, helps business logo design that their business logo design companies are business logo for every use or reproduction. However, it is often create business logo to design business logo the contributors to a design business logo work, even though the design business logo contributors may business logo design the rights to their work. Publishers business logo design allow an author or artist to post a copyright notice and they create business logo signatures from artwork as a matter of policy. Furthermore, copyrighted works are often create business logo on the Internet without permission and with no attribution to the creator. Illustrations, in particular, are often scanned and separated from Apodaca-Noah-20050301130002 To: Jule L. 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